GP2 better than GP3 or GP4

[DEHUMANIZER95]

I think GP3 works like GP4 with the GPxPatch, so the program replaces the files and then put it automatic to the default.

[rremedio]

To install tracks on GP2 is IMO actually easier than on GP3, but GP4 with TSM is the easiest. And in GP2, you have to watch out for slots and it's for me annoying. In GP3, I haven't figured out yet how to install Bellini tracks on it. I've copied the .dat files in the 'circuits' folder, and it CTD.

You need to run it with GPXPatch and install belini season jam folders which you download and install separately from the track.

[racer63]

i play sometimes to GP4. There are beautiful graphics but something is missing in the gameplay. I feel that a slow motion. There haven't this in GP2. Something has been lost between GP2 and GP4... Compared the gameplay of Grandprixlegends is very better.. It would have been nice to see f1mods of 1970's 1980's and 1990's years in this game;) Fortunately we have gp2!

Well, there´re F1 mods for GPL, not many but yes.
Start searching here: http://gpllinks.org/

[tecnorge3]

To install tracks on GP2 is IMO actually easier than on GP3, but GP4 with TSM is the easiest. And in GP2, you have to watch out for slots and it's for me annoying. In GP3, I haven't figured out yet how to install Bellini tracks on it. I've copied the .dat files in the 'circuits' folder, and it CTD.

You need to run it with GPXPatch and install belini season jam folders which you download and install separately from the track.

I've copied the .jam files into the Gp3jamH folder and it still doesn't work.

Starting log
GPxPatch version: 3.93
GPx version detected: decrypted GP3 v1.13
Verbosity level is 0
OS version info: Windows XP Service Pack 2 build 2600
Total physical memory: 1023 MB (free: 614 MB)
Debugging gp3.exe
Waiting for debug events...
Injecting DLL loading code...
Injection succesful
First chance exception
Exception address: 0x00505cea
Exception code: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION
Process tried to read from virtual address 0x00159000
Unhandled exception
Exception address: 0x00505cea
Exception code: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION
Process tried to read from virtual address 0x00159000
Stack trace:
00505CEA: Program Files\Microprose\Grand Prix 3\GPxPatch.exe! <no symbol>
A0A06800: <no module><no symbol>
Registers:
EAX=000009E8 ECX=00000082 ESI=00159000
EBX=00000000 EDX=7C91EB94 EDI=00C495EE
CS:EIP=001B:00505CEA
SS:ESP=0023:0012FAD4 EBP=7C859D78
DS=0023 ES=0023 FS=003B GS=0000
Flags=00000216
Stack dump:
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0012fb24: 00141ee7 0000000a 00000000 0012ffc0 '................'
0012fb34: 7ffdf000 e7ffffff 02020e7c 02100210 '........|.......'
0012fb44: 00000000 00000002 02020e99 00000002 '................'
0012fb54: 0012fc2c 0012fc30 02020e7c 0012fc0c ',...0...|.......'
0012fb64: 7c80a409 001428f8 0e000001 0012fc30 '...|.(......0...'
0012fb74: 00000002 0012fc2c 00000002 00000000 '....,...........'
0012fb84: 0012fc2c 00000002 00000000 014328f4 ',............(C.'
0012fb94: 00000000 014324a0 00144df8 00000000 '.....$C..M......'
0012fba4: 00144fe8 0012fc30 feeefeee 0052ccc0 '.O..0.........R.'
0012fbb4: 01432468 00144dc0 00000000 00000000 'h$C..M..........'
0012fbc4: 00000000 014323c8 00000000 00000000 '.....#C.........'
0012fbd4: 00000000 00000000 0012fc2c 7c91253a '........,...:%.|'
0012fbe4: 00d21840 0012fcc0 7c835148 00d21898 '@.......HQ.|....'
0012fbf4: 0012fc68 00000040 00d21844 0012fc14 'h...@...D.......'
0012fc04: 00000040 0000000c 7c8351f2 ffffffc4 '@........Q.|....'
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0012fc34: 00d218cc 00c6a8f6 0000001a 0012fc70 '............p...'
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0012fc54: 00c6a8f6 0000001a 7ffb003f 0012fcdc '........?.......'
0012fc64: 0012fcdc 00142850 00d21898 0012fca4 '....P(..........'
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0012fc84: 00c6a8dc 00c6a91b 7ffb003f 0012fcdc '........?.......'
0012fc94: 00000220 00000000 7c80a0d4 00000220 ' ..........| ...'
0012fca4: 0012fce0 00529a81 00000000 00000220 '......R..... ...'
0012fcb4: 00d21898 00000200 00c6a8dc 0000003f '............?...'
0012fcc4: 00000000 0012fcdc 00000008 000000ee '................'
0012fcd4: 00526f00 01432468 0012fd1c 00529960 '.oR.h$C.....`.R.'
0012fce4: 0000000b 0052796d 7e36b4d0 0052f00c '....myR...6~..R.'
0012fcf4: 00cde1f0 00200065 006f0053 0000000f '....e. .S.o.....'
0012fd04: 00720065 00000007 0000006f 00000000 'e.r.....o.......'
0012fd14: 000000ee 00000000 0012fe0c 00522f64 '............d/R.'
0012fd24: 4e59046c 00000008 0000001b 0000000f 'l.YN............'
0012fd34: 00000033 00000018 00000001 ffffffc4 '3...............'
0012fd44: 00650057 00740073 00750065 006f0072 'W.e.s.t.e.u.r.o.'
0012fd54: 00e40070 00730069 00680063 00200065 'p...i.s.c.h.e. .'
0012fd64: 006f004e 006d0072 006c0061 0065007a 'N.o.r.m.a.l.z.e.'
0012fd74: 00740069 00000000 00000000 00000000 'i.t.............'
0012fd84: 000a0000 00050000 00000003 00000000 '................'
0012fd94: 00000000 00650057 00740073 00750065 '....W.e.s.t.e.u.'
0012fda4: 006f0072 00e40070 00730069 00680063 'r.o.p...i.s.c.h.'
0012fdb4: 00200065 006f0053 006d006d 00720065 'e. .S.o.m.m.e.r.'
0012fdc4: 0065007a 00740069 00000000 00000000 'z.e.i.t.........'
0012fdd4: 00000000 00030000 00050000 00000002 '................'
0012fde4: 00000000 ffffffc4 000807db 001b0006 '................'
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0012fec4: 00523f7a 7c920945 7c92094e 7e36b4d0 'z?R.E..|N..|..6~'

[Michael82]

i have a new computer and gp4 works very good.. and i try to love this game but It's very difficult. In cockpit view it's not real. The gameplay is weird. Just a good point the AI is very good. Play to Gp2 is better but it's crazy to say that...

[ooleeeo]

Yeah,gp4 does require a good graphics card to run the game smoothly.
But I like all of them,gp2 still scores higher bcoz of the abillity to run upto 13 teams unlike the other 2.

[ClassicF1fan]

I've started playing gp4 again and I've got to say I'm a little disappointed.

Granted it has some definite pros:

1. Better graphics
2. T-cam view
3. Weather options
4. Several different car shapes at once
5. Debris damage

And these are to name only a few, however, something seems lacking. Leaving aside the reduced number of teams, or the increased complexity of trying to create any mods, the game feels a little too "arcady" for me. I've found several tracks where I can take a corner and pass through part of your opponent's car, something I've never experienced on gp2.

Also I've found the damage settings appear a little unrealistic and that you can drive like Andrea de Ceseris and still sustain little damage if any. But I guess my biggest issue is it doesn't have the same feel as gp2. On the same difficulty settings, with the same driver aids and driving a slower car I can still easily win in gp4, whereas in gp2 my performance would normally be closer to Nakajima, but I loved the challenge. I guess for me, gp4 is prettier and has more bells and whistles but just seems to lack the soul of gp2 that makes it so enjoyable.

What do others think?

[rremedio]

About the challenge, I feel the opposite. I'm much faster than GP2 ccs with original settings compared to GP4 where I run in the middle of the pack. This is not a problem since we can make GP2 more challenging very easily.

I like the fact that GP4 runs better on my laptop and has so much better AI and physics (no penalty for driving GP2 with rear wings set to 1 or throttle control disabled, things that were corrected in GP3 actually). Another thing that GP4 has on its side is the accuracy of its tracks, but since I'm not much into F1 circuits, I don't care very much for it.

But GP2 is much easier to be made your own, with so many tracks and cars. It is so easy to edit and see the results quickly. When set properly it can be quite challenging and you can ignore the physics problems and focus only on the driving if you have a challenging race.

GP2 wins for me for being so easy to tweak and for having so much content. I just which it had better AI and it was compatible with GPxPatch (we have GP2Lap but it is not as good).

But I can't say I dislike any of the GPx games. They are still the best racing games for keyboard drivers.

[roland ratzenberger]

About the challenge, I feel the opposite. I'm much faster than GP2 ccs with original settings compared to GP4 where I run in the middle of the pack. This is not a problem since we can make GP2 more challenging very easily.

I like the fact that GP4 runs better on my laptop and has so much better AI and physics (no penalty for driving GP2 with rear wings set to 1 or throttle control disabled, things that were corrected in GP3 actually). Another thing that GP4 has on its side is the accuracy of its tracks, but since I'm not much into F1 circuits, I don't care very much for it.

But GP2 is much easier to be made your own, with so many tracks and cars. It is so easy to edit and see the results quickly. When set properly it can be quite challenging and you can ignore the physics problems and focus only on the driving if you have a challenging race.

GP2 wins for me for being so easy to tweak and for having so much content. I just which it had better AI and it was compatible with GPxPatch (we have GP2Lap but it is not as good).

But I can't say I dislike any of the GPx games. They are still the best racing games for keyboard drivers.

when you say about making the gp2 more challenging , you mean by using the gp2 editor??? Am i right?

[rremedio]

Yes, GP2Edit is the best. But I also use the Track Editor and the Magic Data editor to adjust custom tracks so the ccs have no weird accidents when going to pits, wrong fuel consumption, etc...

[GP2tifoso28]

I personally think GP2 is the best. It has an un describable quality and emotion to it. You can feel the passion and love that was put in the game. I never really spent much time on gp4 but while the AI and other aspects of it are great it just seems to be lacking something. I dont like the handling, I find it feels like the car is light as a feather. I loved gp3 in the day and only recently re United with Gp2 after 10 years due to dissatisfaction with codemasters mediocre offerings. Gp2 is timeless

[rremedio]

I think it is the way their wheels spin. Especially when driving using the T-Cam, GP4 cars look and feel like they are as light as feather.

[GP2tifoso28]

I think it is the way their wheels spin. Especially when driving using the T-Cam, GP4 cars look and feel like they are as light as feather.

I always drive in cockpit view and I feel the same thing too. I can never feel when the car is on the limit, in GP2 you can feel the grip threshold better. For some reason the cars seem like they are "floating" in gp4, both in terms of the handling and just watching external replays.